Silly persons..

[Nescio]

I'm out of here. This board is haunted by a few asshats that I just don't want to read more words from. Many of you I still like tho, you know who you are. =)

Just a friendly advice from now on. Stop the arguing, stop the witch hunting.

Almost everyone of you hit Cath over the head while you were asking her why she was doing what she was doing. It's not a good way of making things better, never were.

Never take away someone's dignity unless they truly deserve it. You obviously felt she deserved it. Calling Cath a bitch after all the shit you guys spewed is just.. Bleh. Drama queens? Vultures.. I suggest Frith learns a bit about the human psyche, and Tonic looks in the mirror a bit closer.

Never kick someone who's down. What happened to that rule?

I'm happy other things than this board occupies my time nowadays.

Buh bye.

[Admin]

I guess you didn't read alot of the stuff that has since been deleted and I guess you didn't know alot of the other conotations of what was going on.

I also guess that you noticed that nobody - including herself - defended her actions? And no, I don't consider throwing out jibes and attacks as defense.

When you've burned all your bridges, who can come over there to you to offer support? And kicking people when they're down is wrong, but kicking them when they're doing their best to tower over you is something entirely different.

Sad to see you go - good luck, and I hope you one day return.

[shaw]

All the best Nessy...

[Darkwater]

Take care Nescio. Hope you come back some day soon.

[kirinir]

[Krald]

I never understood why people take boards so seriously...

[FrithRae]

Ahh..he speaks of Rule Number One...

Krald is obviously learn'ed in rule Number One...

you are wise beyond your years, Young Krald....

Frith

[sneak]

"pshhhh ... pssshhhh"

"Krald, I'm your fath..."

Wait, that's not what I meant to say.

I'm disapointed too by the drama brought to us by people I thought were all smart and even funny sometimes.

[tonic]

FrithRae said:

Ahh..he speaks of Rule Number One...

Frith

I thought rule number one was "nobody talks about fightclub?" Shit im in the wrong forum again!

[Nescio]

With sadness I come back, for a little while.

Got a mail from Warhorse describing the horrors occuring on the bords, he warned me to take a peak.. I'm usually not the one to turn my head towards accidents but I knew there still were friends here.

I'm sorry I didn't send a PM to you Romain, explaining my feelings. It was bad of me not to do so.

--- separated for clarity, on to the ranting.

Internet is a strange thing. Opinions can, and is, expressed without any physical presence at all.

But.

Trying to separate emotions from anything, even a post on a forum, is always futile. Anyone claiming to be able to do so is at best, ignorant. "Rule number one" is a load of crap, really. We discuss politics here. We discuss personal issues, we discuss hot topics that most people who post have personal connections and strong feelings regarding. We make friends, temporal allies, enemies, temporal hate objects.

It cannot be done without emotions. Especially not in a rant forum. For crying out loud, it cannot even be done in circles of higher study - humans are and will always be emotional in nature.

So reading forums like this we get hurt, we feel praise. We laugh, as naturally as we start to cry.

This has been proven time and time again, and now recently in an even bigger way than when I and Cath left a while ago. Trying to ignore it, or play unaffected laughing at others when the hailstorm is momentarily out of your own sphere is nothing but dispiceable.

People are leaving for good reasons. People are upset for good reasons. Learn from it. Don't turn your back and laugh while your numbers dwindle even further.

London was struck with horrors. Englishmen.. Stiff upper lip. Respect.

Paladin, Tonic, Tantalyr. Nationalism is a great danger when it blinds you from even acknowledging your countrys possible faults.

Defensive mode is understandable, but remember who are your friends and allies. You seem to have forgotten that lately. Remember that a friend can come with pointers if you're wearing a really nasty outfit, without it meaning that your entire warderobe is crap and he/she hates you.

Always remember that.

You have forgotten it lately.

Emotions are powerfull. Rushing out waving a flag in a frenzy of joy is amazing. Bashing someone's head in with the flag rarely gets you anything good.

Half a year ago I was filled with joy for these forums. Finally, I said to many of my real life friends, I have found a forum where I can chat with americans and europeans without the hatred. Finally, I said, I can understand the mindsets of the americans who vote Bush - and they are not born of the devil himself. I defended americans, rallied to use some of the arguments you had put forth and actually made alot of people say "hey you're right, I'll be a bit more carefull and considerate in the future".

War changes people.

It's a stress. Immense pressure from all sides. Eventhough you might not think it have changed you alot, it always will have.

It has changed some of you here. The rational discussions from half a year ago have changed into STFU, ignorance and nationalism ruling from those of you affected most.

If that doesn't change this will soon be an all american board, with those americans who disagree promptly discarded with the other nationalites.

Patience. Discipline. Emotions will always be an issue, but make sure it doesn't put an end to rational discussion. There are limits. Greyzones. Think hard about where those greyzones are..

Hmm and as for the flaming most sure to come, or derailment - please refrain. It will indeed make me sad if it happens. Make me smile instead. That might make me want to come back.

[romainicus]

NESCIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

hug hug hug hug........oups don't want to derail the thread, but where is my PM

nice to hear from you and clap clap for the post my Sweden Valkiry

[Krald]

Nice to hear from you Nescio.

As for emotion and boards and such, well I guess maybe I just don't read people too well on boards. I come with the default set that most people mean well, and I'll try to give them a benefit of the doubt. I find often people can get pissed off about a certain thing, but I look at such things and view the events as not really that malicious. Not always the case, but at least some of the time.

In fact thinking about that reminds me of a time back when I played horizons, our entire guild split in two because the "leader of the pack" and a few others felt the leader was being arrogant, but he explained himself that he didn't mean to, and that he was only leader after all because people wanted him to be. Yet it still caused a scism and it took a long time for any kind of reconsiliation to happen. I even got shunned because I didn't "stick up for my friends" where in reality I just looked at the situation, didn't really see anything deliberately malicious and didn't see why people couldn't just work out their differances.

Also I don't get too deep into heated dicussions here as I tend to lurk, and post the odd comment if I feel it would contribute something. So maybe that is why I'm not feeling these heated emotions.

Only times I have felt heated emotions online during debates was with people on IRC where I can encounter people entirely unwilling to budge from clearly (to me) false points of view with no merit whatsoever. But that's more live and to me, more personal and the people there are generally less reasonable than what I have experianced here.

So I guess I'm just not in the fold enough to understand fully how you all feel about events on these forums at least. Or maybe its just me..

[tantalyr]

Well said, Nescio.

I certainly admit to reacting emotionally--or perhaps passionately, take your pick--to what I've perceived to be unwarranted bashing, whether it be directed at me personally or at any group of which I am a member (Americans, white males, Bush voters, or what have you). It's in the nature of my personal matrix, I suppose. Though I much prefer a good, civilized and spirited debate, I do indeed push back when I believe I've been shoved.

Oftentimes it is not the message itself, but how the message is phrased that raises the hackles of most folk. Let's take, for example, the post for which I have been criticized by our friends across the pond. I responded emotionally to a post that suggested that the Americans who perished on 9/11 "had it coming," a notion that affects me personally due to the loss of a friend on that terrible day, and a notion that even objectively is abhorrent to me. Algenon/tired posted later that across the Atlantic the term "had it coming" connotes "inevitable" rather than the American connotation of "deserved." Though very much of an Anglophile since my teenage years, and a "wordsmith" by profession, I was completely unaware of that connotation. Had that been made clear in the original post--had the original post stated something like "the 9/11 attacks were inevitable given long-standing American foreign policy in the Middle East--I would have reacted, and posted, quite differently. And just maybe that thread would not have spiraled downward in the way it did.

So I confess to no little fault in the matter. Now that I've been made aware of the different connotation intended by the original poster, it is plain that I misconstrued Darkwater's contention. And for that I apologize for my ignorance.

A final note . . . Other than initially responding to the flames directed toward me in a couple of the threads there, I have largely stayed out of the PvP forum. And I intend to continue to do so for the same reason I stayed out of the "Prayers from Across the Ocean" thread once it was hijacked and spiraled out of control. These posts serve no useful purpose that I can see, other than to vent (perhaps) and, sadly, to further inflame folks and reinforce stereotypical views of other posters which may, indeed, be wholly off the mark.

I'm glad you're back, Nescio. I truly am.

[romainicus]

heeeeeeee maybe I'm wrong guys but I'm not sure Nescio is back!!!

[tonic]

krald said:

Nice to hear from you Nescio.

As for emotion and boards and such, well I guess maybe I just don't read people too well on boards. I come with the default set that most people mean well, and I'll try to give them a benefit of the doubt. I find often people can get pissed off about a certain thing, but I look at such things and view the events as not really that malicious. Not always the case, but at least some of the time.

In fact thinking about that reminds me of a time back when I played horizons, our entire guild split in two because the "leader of the pack" and a few others felt the leader was being arrogant, but he explained himself that he didn't mean to, and that he was only leader after all because people wanted him to be. Yet it still caused a scism and it took a long time for any kind of reconsiliation to happen. I even got shunned because I didn't "stick up for my friends" where in reality I just looked at the situation, didn't really see anything deliberately malicious and didn't see why people couldn't just work out their differances.

Also I don't get too deep into heated dicussions here as I tend to lurk, and post the odd comment if I feel it would contribute something. So maybe that is why I'm not feeling these heated emotions.

Only times I have felt heated emotions online during debates was with people on IRC where I can encounter people entirely unwilling to budge from clearly (to me) false points of view with no merit whatsoever. But that's more live and to me, more personal and the people there are generally less reasonable than what I have experianced here.

So I guess I'm just not in the fold enough to understand fully how you all feel about events on these forums at least. Or maybe its just me..

*sigh* Its not just you. Ive reached my dead horse button after slinging it out in the PVP thread. Only to discover we are STILL talking about our selves and not any subjects beyond it.

I came here to debate in a free thought manner. My goal was never to personally attack and offend people for pleasure. Nescio coming back reminded me of that. This is now how i feel ive become. Im not happy about being labeled something im not in real life (tm). So ive failed here big time. What a complete waste of time.