Prayers from across the Ocean

[paladin]

kirinir said:

They interrupted the cricket game here to bring the news in last night, so I was up and watching the tv in the early stages.

Hope that everyone is going well there.

Pal, take the flame bait to the America is Evil thread and leave this one to sincere thoughts.

Why the fuck should I? America is an open target in EVERY thread so should the rest on the the world.

Another thing, it is not meant as flame bait, its meant as an eye opener to all the asshats that have been bashing America since this forum opened up. Its meant to give you all a taste of your own medicine, to make yall fell the same way we Americans feel when people spout off utter bullshit about the country we live in, at dark times, and when innocents are being killed.

Don't like the wake up call?

Fuck you, I could care less, smite me all ya want.

[Darkwater]

A wake up call to what? As Alg and others from the UK, including members of my own family, have said, they've been expecting to get hit at some point because of Britain's involvement in the US's Iraq war and because of Afganistan. Was the train in Spain bombed at random, or was it because that country had troops in Iraq? I tend to think its the later. I wouldn't be too surprised if Canada got hit at some point, for our troop involvement in Afganistan.

A real wakeup call would be if some random country that had no involvement in Afganistan or Iraq suddenly got bombed by Al Quada. If they start bombing Cuba, China or North Korea or something, then I think your case might have merit Pal.

I'm afraid that attacks against countries heavily involved against Iraq or in Afganistan, only lends credence to my argument on the matter.

Are terrorists excentric fucktards that will go to any length to punish their perceived enemies? Yes. Do they just pick their enemies totally at random? Nope, I'm afraid not. At least not so far. I mean, shit, there's tons of countries in the world with far less security than probably London has that they could have bombed all year long, but you still think that London was some random target? Get with it man.

And why would I act like a 2 yr old, and smite you for expressing your opinion?

[akuma]

Apologies for particiapating in the derail of the thread

[paladin]

First I would like to apologize to Tant for Hijacking his thread. Tant if you ask me to I will leave the thread and or delete any post made by myself that anyone finds offensive.

Ok Dark, I never smited you, I have always liked you, just like you said above, why smite someone for stating their opinion?

The wake up call I was referring to was not one of bombs and terror, it was one of words and feelings for your fellow forum members.

Myself and others have delt with alot of American bashing in a time of need, and no matter what was said at the time, some people here just didn't get it. Didn't see how their words could have hurt us. The wake up call was me throwing your tactics in your face to prove a point.

I know it was tasteless but the timing was perfect, some people won't learn until shit happens to them, well shit has happened so maybe now you will learn.

[shaw]

no paladin, i don;t feel the anger rising up inside of me, i just have this feeling of dissapointment that you want to say 'nnyaaah, nyahh', which is exactly how it is coming across.
yeah., maybe now we will learn, after all we have never had terrorist activity in the UK before as a direct result of our foreign and home policies.
I won;t even touch the oil in Alaska thing.
As for asking the US of A to help us out, I think you'll find your asking us for compliance and getting it, has probably accelerated, 'what we had coming to us'.

[sheral]

I just feel sad that someone could be so petty when everyone else had put aside their differences to show concern.

You're getting back at the America bashers eh? Which ones are those? The Canadian guy? The Australian guy? The French guy? Because I don't see any Brits giving America a hard time in that other thread. And if you think Algie was America bashing then you're further gone than I thought. Disagreeing with some of the things the US government does is not bashing, you know. I stopped saying anything remotely negative about America on these boards a long time ago because some people here can't take even the smallest amount of criticism against their country, whether merited or not. So your mean little remarks didn't just strike out at America bashers on these boards, they struck out at everyone.

And as Shaw says, yeah, now we'll learn, it's not like I grew up in fear of terrorist attacks from the IRA or anything. It's not like our country has ever known war or anything where the enemy came to us.

And who was blaming America? I said 'My Government'. Yes I think our alliance with the USA got us the attention this time, but did I say that I didn't want alliance with the USA? It's like when someone picks on you for being friends with someone. YOu don't stop being friends with them, and you certainly hope your friend doesn't turn round and smack you as well. And what will we learn from you? Don't stick up for the USA because when it's your turn to get smacked they'll turn away and say 'nyaah nyahh see how you like it'? Well you know something Pal. Fuck you.

I'm sorry to everyone else who expressed sincere wishes in this thread, this was not directed at you.

[Admin]

paladin said:

The wake up call I was referring to was not one of bombs and terror, it was one of words and feelings for your fellow forum members.

Myself and others have delt with alot of American bashing in a time of need, and no matter what was said at the time, some people here just didn't get it. Didn't see how their words could have hurt us. The wake up call was me throwing your tactics in your face to prove a point.

I hope you will learn from the measured responses to your attempt to prove (through provocation) a point that being so defensively agressive about your country only makes you look foolish and unpleasant in the eyes of those who question policies instituted by your government.

If I hurt someones feelings at a time when they were upset, I apologise, but frankly the reactions were unpleasant and hyper sensitive, fuelling the fire rather than calming the waters. If you respond to somthing you don't like by hitting it, you should expect to get hit back.

If you still haven't got the ability to take off your blinkers for long enough to realise the people you brand "Amercian bashers" are just people opposed to the stance taken by your leaders' foriegn policy on some issues, not Americans per se, then I find that very sad. I don't think there is an American hater on these boards, although there are many who think your governments views on many global issues stinks.

You will find the same stance taken by many thousands of Americans (who I presume you brand as traitors?) and the fact you find it hurtful when people make their opinions clear is frankly disturbing. You should learn not to take it personally, in my opinion.

To sugggest we hadn't had the same happen to us is, I'm afraid, is utter horseshit. If you care to remember, we are part of the coalition. I presume you think our few measly troops barely scratched the surface of the US war machine, but in our quaint little country it caused quite a stir. Our Government has come under huge criticism for the war - I couldn't bring myself to vote for Labour this year because of it, like many others - and I am vehemently against much of our foriegn policy also. I think the same could be said by any of the anti-war folks posting here, or those criticising US stances on other global issues. If you slagged off something Tony Blair or the UK did, I would debate you on the issue or issues, not brand you a Brit hater or basher. Its not that simple.

If there is one thing that disturbs me about this its that you think people here are that low - I would've thought you might give us the benefit of the doubt, reread things, see if you might be misconstruing certain comments or lending more worth to certain phrases than you might initially, rather than going straigh into fly off the handle mode.

Alot of that probably didnt come out right, but I hope you don't just pick out a few bits and get angry about them. If you do, then i've wasted my time posting.

[paladin]

Well it seems I have made my point to some, and it is lost to others, same ole same ole eh?

Damn near everyone of you here can be just as tasteless and hateful as I can, the ONLY difference is you all do it in an intellectual manor, trying to cover up your bile with big words and clever dialog.

You don't get that my nah nah nah nah boo boo tactics was a result of feeling the same way you all feel now? That maybe just maybe at certain times its better that certain things are best left unsaid?

Its funny how all this time ANYONE could say ANYTHING they wanted about America, and when others tried to defend themselves and their country they were belittled and ridiculed for doing so, but now the shoe is on the other foot isn't it?

For the record, I don't think any of you are terrorist, or communist scum, and if I was over there I would fight and die beside you to help protect what you hold dear.

But please, stop for a second, look back at some of the things you all have said against America and see why I did what I did.

Ya still pissed?

Good, my job is done here........

[Admin]

Wow Pal, just wow.

You see a bunch of people take your aggresion and soak it up, and then you claim it as a victory for those who retaliated with fists when their views were questioned.

You answer as your president does - with total disregard for any views heard from outside the womb. If thats your criterea for success, you'll go a long way in the current government (either there or here).

Nothing is best unsaid, unless its lies. There have been no lies here, only opinions. If you don't want to hear those, then move along. The only person pissed here is you, because your little scheme to rile has fallen on deaf ears.

You think you've had some kind of success, when people have logically and cleverly answered your attempts to piss them off with intelligent answers rather than jingoistic claptrap?

Then grats for teh win

[paladin]

Alge,

Besides me quoting Kir, and using FUCK YOU in my text, did I call any one person here out or use personal attacks against any one person?

Did I say, Alge, I don't like you or your country, or belittle any one person here with personal attacks?

Besides saying FUCK YOU did I attack you, Sheral or Kir? The FUCK YOU was meant for people in general not anyone directly on this forum.



"Nothing is best unsaid, unless its lies. There have been no lies here, only opinions. If you don't want to hear those, then move along. The only person pissed here is you, because your little scheme to rile has fallen on deaf ears."

Take your own advice here, it's ok for anyone else on this forum to spew bile about anything they want, but when this character name "Paladin" does it, it's a issue? I'm not pissed, far from it, I was just pointing something out that afew of you on this forum refuse to see. I could say the same thing to you now couldn't I? If you don't like MY opinions, move along, or ban me, or lock my threads, because yalls little scheme to rile me up has fallen on deaf ears.

"You think you've had some kind of success, when people have logically and cleverly answered your attempts to piss them off with intelligent answers rather than jingoistic claptrap?"

Hmm all I seen was 2 or 3 people attack me for stating my opinion, and as far as a jingoistic claptrap, well my friend I am afraid I have no idea what the hell that is.

I succeeded because now a few of you see what it is like to walk in another mans shoes, and Damnit folks, those shoes look damn fine on ya.

If you choose to think less of me and feel it necessary to attack me as a person or my character, then have at it, whatever makes ya sleep better.

[shaw]

' I succeeded because now a few of you see what it is like to walk in another mans shoes, and Damnit folks, those shoes look damn fine on ya. '

jesus fuck, don;t you understand? we have lived with terrorism on our doorstep for decades, i grew up not 1 mile from where an IRA bomb making factory was discovered,
London was under constant attack for decades. Only with recent talks has this calmed down.
Brighton Hotel bombing, ring a bell?

Now we have a new enemy. Thanks to someone elses foreign policy.

Glad you like our shoes, you chose them for us.

[Admin]

Pal,

I didn't suggest you used personal attacks. If you maen me making personal attacks on you, if I did I apologise, but I don't remember doing it. I don't really think you've been attacked in this thread - disagreed with, but attacked? If i've posted something you think is out of line, let me know and i'll remove it.

I'm always happy to hear your opinions. I am trying to point out in this thread, as is everyone else, that the way several Americans (including yourself) react to criticism of US foriegn policy does not happen when you do the same to us, even at a time of tragedy such as now.

On the other topic, I think Shaw covered that (although he probably worded it better than I would've, heh).

[tonic]

shaw said:

'Now we have a new enemy. Thanks to someone elses foreign policy.

Glad you like our shoes, you chose them for us.

So Tony Blair is our bitch then? A meer puppet we pull the strings of at whim? That everything will eventually lead back to the good ole USA RULING your stupid asses into a war? Is that what your saying?
That you take no accountability as a COUNTRY for your governments choices? ONCE again its back to the USofA to blame.....
Im sure given time somehow the policies of england over Ireland will have been our idea as well--considering you guys cant function without us. Is that what your saying?

Wow kavin bacan wins again!

So spain must blame us also....and all future countries that will suffer from these radical separatists groups?
Even the Arabs dont want these radical groups...yet we are responsible for some hidden agenda they have? It was aimed at ENGLAND not the USA !! Hey maybe you should all run and hide now like Spain did..that will show them! Or you could remember the Falkland islands and remember the courage you had then and deal with the problem!

[Admin]

Seeing as I voted against the leaders in our last election, I will not be held responsible for their actions.

Yup, I think Tony Blair is your bitch, and I think its pathetic the kind of kiss-ass situation he has got the UK into (although tis been that way for a while now). As soon as the US looked like they were going to war, I got that sinking feeling, knowing Blair would be on TV hour an hour later sending our troops off to tag along. So you are right Tonic - its as much the fault of out foriegn policy as it is that of the US.

Mentioning the Falklands is pointless - the situation couldn't really be much different.

[akuma]

You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."-- Winston Churchill