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Post by catharsis on Jul 13, 2005 18:46:10 GMT
What a fucking mess ... and I’m sitting two months away from ANY blame at all. I’ve been happy ... really happy ... being away from the shithole this forum has become, and I’m even happier that I didn’t watch it slip into the deep day by day. Yet my friends who have contact here still tell me what’s going on. Let’s see if I’ve got this straight: You’ve managed to collectively managed to alienate pretty much an entire national contingent of the board – not only by insensitive jingoistic bullying, but by an utter lack of stones to fucking do something about it. All the while calling yourselves good Americans. I’ve got news for you – your kind of American needs to put your white sheets back on, and go back to burning crosses. You’ve managed to run off the most level-headed, stable influences this forum has ever seen – and no, that doesn’t include me. And you’ve managed to get this forum moderated by one of the least principled people I’ve never had the displeasure of ever meeting face to face. You’ve, finally, even managed to chase off the person who created this board, someone who, in his own way, at least tried to administer the board fairly. Someone who had such noble expectations from all of us, and in the end, was let down by each and every one of us. To Tantalyr: You seemed to relish your role as forum patriarch, yet when the chips fell, the only place I saw you taking a stand was against me. I’ve given you credit by addressing you directly now, and when I left the board – but that was riding on the fumes of good karma. We’re past that, now, aren’t we? You left this board once, refusing to come back because of some simple bad language, and I stood by you, even pleaded with you to come back. A courtesy, I might remind you, you have never even considered returning, even once. You’ve done nothing, not one fucking thing to keep this board from sinking ever further into the toilet – its far worse off now than it was when you left before. I used to think you were a gentleman, and a man of honor and action. Perhaps I was wrong. And to my dear, dear friend Paladin: You have access to the Sheriff’s Office, wherein lies the “exchange” you and I had that documents “my betrayal” of our friendship. Recall what it was about? You wanted, no, demanded the your god-given right to be the biggest pussy you could be, bad-mouthing any and all who earned your dislike – whether they were a member of this board or NOT. Especially not, since you don’t seem to want people to be able to defend themselves, do you? And I simply pointed out to you that I know you wouldn’t want your son to think that this was what his Dad was all about – that no one, in their right mind would want their flesh and blood to see them as - and I quote – “chickenshit”. Well, I guess your only remaining strategy here – assuming you are in your right mind – is to lie your way out of it like you do everything else. Well, I can tell my kids what’s transpired here, with a clear conscience – even the things I did wrong, and I admit I did a lot wrong. Sure, I gaffed your handle, and that was wrong of me – no matter how much you deserved it. And I am sorry – not because of what I might have done to you, but because of what I did to myself in the process. So, my challenge to you is to produce the exchange we had, and let the forum see if I was the backstabber you say I was. Keep in mind that you and I weren’t the only ones who saw it, either. And maybe I can produce an exchange showing exactly what it looks like where someone gets betrayed by a friend. You do remember what I’m referring to, don’t you? And are you still a member of The Underground, by any chance? So, let’s see what I did to make you so angry! I’m not afraid ... are you? And please don’t try to wash this away by invoking confidentiality – YOU brought it up, now, didn’t you? And it would sure be a shame if they posts in question somehow got deleted - after all, I know for a fact they were there when I left here. I’ll not post again after this, but I’ll leave the account up until you ban me – how’s that? That way, you can say whatever you want about me, since I’m a member. That was the rule I proposed, wasn’t it? And the very rule you and some other notable chickenshits took exception to? Oh, and I can’t forget Nali – the mitre goes to you. Remember, cold wash on gentle, air dry. Wow. That was “cathartic”!
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Post by tonic on Jul 13, 2005 18:49:43 GMT
What a fucking mess ... and I’m sitting two months away from ANY blame at all. I’ve been happy ... really happy ... being away from the shithole this forum has become, and I’m even happier that I didn’t watch it slip into the deep day by day. Yet my friends who have contact here still tell me what’s going on. Let’s see if I’ve got this straight: You’ve managed to collectively managed to alienate pretty much an entire national contingent of the board – not only by insensitive jingoistic bullying, but by an utter lack of stones to fucking do something about it. All the while calling yourselves good Americans. I’ve got news for you – your kind of American needs to put your white sheets back on, and go back to burning crosses. You’ve managed to run off the most level-headed, stable influences this forum has ever seen – and no, that doesn’t include me. And you’ve managed to get this forum moderated by one of the least principled people I’ve never had the displeasure of ever meeting face to face. You’ve, finally, even managed to chase off the person who created this board, someone who, in his own way, at least tried to administer the board fairly. Someone who had such noble expectations from all of us, and in the end, was let down by each and every one of us. To Tantalyr: You seemed to relish your role as forum patriarch, yet when the chips fell, the only place I saw you taking a stand was against me. I’ve given you credit by addressing you directly now, and when I left the board – but that was riding on the fumes of good karma. We’re past that, now, aren’t we? You left this board once, refusing to come back because of some simple bad language, and I stood by you, even pleaded with you to come back. A courtesy, I might remind you, you have never even considered returning, even once. You’ve done nothing, not one fucking thing to keep this board from sinking ever further into the toilet – its far worse off now than it was when you left before. I used to think you were a gentleman, and a man of honor and action. Perhaps I was wrong. And to my dear, dear friend Paladin: You have access to the Sheriff’s Office, wherein lies the “exchange” you and I had that documents “my betrayal” of our friendship. Recall what it was about? You wanted, no, demanded the your god-given right to be the biggest pussy you could be, bad-mouthing any and all who earned your dislike – whether they were a member of this board or NOT. Especially not, since you don’t seem to want people to be able to defend themselves, do you? And I simply pointed out to you that I know you wouldn’t want your son to think that this was what his Dad was all about – that no one, in their right mind would want their flesh and blood to see them as - and I quote – “chickenshit”. Well, I guess your only remaining strategy here – assuming you are in your right mind – is to lie your way out of it like you do everything else. Well, I can tell my kids what’s transpired here, with a clear conscience – even the things I did wrong, and I admit I did a lot wrong. Sure, I gaffed your handle, and that was wrong of me – no matter how much you deserved it. And I am sorry – not because of what I might have done to you, but because of what I did to myself in the process. So, my challenge to you is to produce the exchange we had, and let the forum see if I was the backstabber you say I was. Keep in mind that you and I weren’t the only ones who saw it, either. And maybe I can produce an exchange showing exactly what it looks like where someone gets betrayed by a friend. You do remember what I’m referring to, don’t you? And are you still a member of The Underground, by any chance? So, let’s see what I did to make you so angry! I’m not afraid ... are you? And please don’t try to wash this away by invoking confidentiality – YOU brought it up, now, didn’t you? And it would sure be a shame if they posts in question somehow got deleted - after all, I know for a fact they were there when I left here. I’ll not post again after this, but I’ll leave the account up until you ban me – how’s that? That way, you can say whatever you want about me, since I’m a member. That was the rule I proposed, wasn’t it? And the very rule you and some other notable chickenshits took exception to? Oh, and I can’t forget Nali – the mitre goes to you. Remember, cold wash on gentle, air dry. Wow. That was “cathartic”! go away you witch
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Post by tonic on Jul 13, 2005 18:51:13 GMT
LOL i cant believe your that freakin petty to run in NOW! LOL ;D
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Post by paladin on Jul 13, 2005 18:51:31 GMT
well I won't lie and said I read all that.............
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Post by tonic on Jul 13, 2005 18:53:09 GMT
well I won't lie and said I read all that............. me either i just responded as i knew i should lol
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Post by Nali on Jul 13, 2005 18:53:45 GMT
And here I was about to say that I didn't really care to hear what you had to say to Tant and Pally.
Well... actually, I still don't. That's between you and them, I figure. After all, this is just an internet forum, and unless a person blasts me or something I hold dearly, I've got no reason to piss on them.
But I'll hold onto the mitre and make the Pope proud. Erm... or something. ;D
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Post by rexxlaww on Jul 13, 2005 18:57:32 GMT
Cath.
Seriously.
Not needed right now.
I wont ban you or even edit your post, but you know, give us a chance, hey?
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Post by tantalyr on Jul 13, 2005 19:36:31 GMT
Catharsis wrote:
Umm, I've honestly never thought of myself as some sort of "forum patriarch." I'm a poster here, nothing more, and I desire to be nothing more.
And I'll be damned if I'll apologize for any of my responses in the "America is Evil Because . . ." thread. Indeed, I find it ironic that you, of all people, should suggest that I should have done "something" about that thread since it was you who originally led the anti-America-bashing charge. And just so you know, "Forum Patriarch" doesn't come with any modding powers (shoot, they won't even let me look in the windows of the Sheriff's Office), so there wasn't anything I could do about anyone's posts even if I had the desire to do so.
Finally, as I recall both Frith and I posted several times asking--almost begging--you to explain why you posted what you did in the D&D forum because we really, truly couldn't understand it as it was it was sooooo out of character for you. But instead of an explanation, you told us that we were on a witch hunt for you and simply canceled your membership here in one fell swoop. PM's here were obviously out, and as it doesn't appear that you belong to either the Horizons or VN boards, there was no way to get hold of you in any event. Still and all, I apologize if I offended you in not recognizing that you really didn't mean to quit RR after all.
*shrugs*
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Post by akuma on Jul 13, 2005 19:44:59 GMT
now this is entertainment ~grabs popcorn and a beer~
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Post by tonic on Jul 13, 2005 22:55:38 GMT
LOL i just read it! omg this is so funny!
Are you kidding me with this? Your so lurking the shit out of this board!...thats sad...really really sad. ;D
mocking: and yet my friends tell me whats going on in great detail..LOL
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Post by sheral on Jul 14, 2005 9:11:37 GMT
I’m not back. I’m going to delete this account as soon as I’ve posted this message. However, I left some things unsaid and I need to say them so that there is no doubt in anyone’s mind about why I left.
First off, it was nothing any one person said. I left angry and disappointed, yes, and it was a result of what happened in Tant’s condolences thread, but it wasn’t just because of what was said in that thread.
When Cath interfered in Paladin’s RP thread, several of the members of this board called her out on it and demanded an answer for what she had done. Now before there’s any of this bullshit about past grievances between Paladin and Cath, I’m talking about the reaction from this forum towards her actions. She interfered in a roleplaying thread to prove a point. Whether or not you, I, or anyone else agreed with the point she was trying to make, or whether it was appropriate is immaterial at this point. She fucked with his thread to more or less say ‘see how you like it’ because – let’s be honest here - derailing threads is something he has done on many occasions. She was called out on that by several members of this board and asked for an explanation. Fair enough. The members of the board felt she had done wrong and called her on it. I had no problem with that.
So, anyway, Paladin derails a thread meant to give condolences and good wishes to the people of England for the events which happened last Thursday. He did it to prove a point. The point was that people had been attacking the USA and so he wanted to see how we liked it. Regardless of whether or not some of us actually had attacked the USA. Regardless of whether or not some of us actually had defended the USA in the past when anti-American comments had been made. None of that mattered because he had a point to make. Sound familiar? And what did the good folk of this board do? Nothing. One person asked him to stop. One. There were no calls for explanations, no demands that he justify his nasty, vindictive remarks. So, apparently, it’s wrong for someone to fuck with a roleplaying thread just to prove a point, but it’s okay for someone to do that when a real life tragic event takes place. Just to prove a point. Nice set of double standards you people have.
I didn’t stand up for Cath when she got called out over the roleplaying thread and taking Paladin’s name. I didn’t stand up for her, because I felt she had gone too far and although I was and still am her friend I couldn’t understand why she had done it. Well I’m standing up for her now. She might have fucked up, but she has more integrity in her little finger than some of you. She certainly would never have stooped so low as to use a real life tragedy to prove a point. And while her voice was loud and strong against those who made anti-American comments, she never was one to confuse honest criticism with anti-Americanism.
I’m not going to stay around to argue the point, because there is no point. Those involved will find a way to justify their actions without taking any blame and it will just go away until the next time. I just wanted to set things straight. I didn’t leave because of what anyone said – so those who think their comments drove me away can just get over themselves – I left because of what the rest of you didn’t say.
I hope you can get this board back to the kind of place it was before, and with people like Rexx and Shaw still around maybe you have a chance, who knows.
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Post by tonic on Jul 14, 2005 12:14:08 GMT
Im sorry sherly your point is lost to me simply because everyone upset and left were MODS!!! HELLO! why didnt you move the fuking comment out! Thats what the position was about no? Shouldnt this highjack issue have been dealt with long ago instead of ppl leaving over it? You expected us to do what again? Get angry over something I thought you all could handle being the ones in charge? So basically you left because you couldnt reign paladin in? YET you expected what from the nonmods members? SAY WHAT?! The pnp thread involved a few members and that is why you saw the reaction to it no more no less!! NONE of us knew or CARED (or care) about the relationship cath and pally have!!!!It wasnt about covering pallys back we were genuinely pissed Cath was interfering in the thread we were enjoying. I even HAD to ask shaw to step in and he did. WHY IS THIS STILL BEING MENTIONED JESUS FUKING CHRIST if your not over it yet-- GET YOUR BONEY asses in here and TALK!! Dont walk off all huffy and holding it in!! work it out! Ive never been one to stew on shit! say it and get over IT! NOW i thought as MODS you guys might step in on the "well wishes" thread yet you didnt?? any fault is your own. I cant mind read and say what has hurt someones feelings and considering the nature of the forum site no one can really... Thats why its important then the shit is flying to have some set guidelines. Now are you guys that are out gonna keep popping in every few weeks sharing all this love ONLY to pop out again afterward? ;D Thats even sillier! I mean this in the nicest way possible --DEAL with it or just go away!
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Post by Pharcellus on Jul 14, 2005 16:44:45 GMT
I wasn't around for the "Catharsis incident", but I was under the impression that there are two different rulesets for different forums. One ruleset is for the rant(y) forums, where most anything can (and usually does) go. The other ruleset is for the "hugs and kisses" forums, like Club Tropicana, where people are supposed to take off their ass hats and don their civility caps. I haven't checked, but I thought that the RP game forum was supposed to be one of the latter.
If so, then I think we are dealing with an apples and oranges situation comparing the two incidents.
Tonic makes a good point. If the staff who run the forum feel that a post violates the rules as they were laid down, then why not fix the problem instead of getting upset and quitting the forums altogether over it? It's hard to be a staffer and take on the mantle of responsibility when things go bad, but it is part of the job. Too many people as it is take volunteer positions for nothing more than presitge and popularity when the vast majority of them are nothing but dirty, ugly work that no one appreciates or cares about. It's like being the crotchety old high school janitor; all the kids make fun of you, play pranks on you, look down on you as the perfect example of what NOT to become in life. Yet, without you, in just a short period of time, the trash would pile up to the ceiling in the hallways, puke would crust up were it was laid, the entire school would reek with eau de feces, and the bathrooms would be an absolute horror. The kids would go home sick with all manner of contagion constantly (completely besides being horribly grossed out from the previous).
To me Moderator/Admin positions are nothing more than Janitor positions with a lofty title. They are a dirty, nasty job, and anyone who thinks that it is all about the title is in for a rude wake-up call.
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Post by rexxlaww on Jul 14, 2005 17:03:16 GMT
Amen Brotha!
You hear that? Dont take a crap in my school. Theres a new janitor in town (actually a rather old janitor, but thats beside the point) and hes not going to take any crap off any of yers.
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Post by tired on Jul 14, 2005 18:14:52 GMT
Well Sheral, it took, ooh, about five seconds for that to come true... I'm not going to speak for Sheral here, but I know why I didn't do what you suggest, and why I have quit these boards in a modding capacity. There was no need to move the comment, and no one asked. No rule was broken, and no one offended enough to want the individual post moved. Funny Tonic, you were straight on the "slap" wagon when I closed a thread, but now you think a mod should've moved something on a whim that didn't break a rule of any sort, and when no one (including the original thread starter) requested it? you would've pissed your pants. However, the comment was part of a culture that has seeped into these boards, and it is that culture that has seen me step down, as I want no part of it. Us and them. It ruined VN, and countless other things in life, and its ruined this place too. People have been so nasty, unpleasant and inhumane to each other here in their national fervour that I no longer see many of you in the same light. These things don't just go away - they fester, and rot, and thats it. I'd seen enough, so I stepped down, and won't be back in any official capacity (not that I'd think you'd ask). I have read some nasty, racist bullshit here in the past few weeks, and there are people who hold prejudies that post here I would rather spit on than shake their hand. I find it ironic that people who have described others as "American bashers" have since gone on to slander nations, religions, cultures, all sorts. I also find it ironic that the man who asked everyone to stop throwing personal attacks went on a monster defense of himself doing exactly that. Now I can just come here and shake my head in disbelief and not have to worry about it - its not my responsibility. You can be as spiteful and childish as you like towards each other and it will have no impact on me. I'll not post much, but lurking will make a pleasant change. Well I tried, and I had alot of fun. Its just a shame the ones with the biggest mouths don't have the balls to put them where it hurts and take on a position of responsibility. Easy to criticise when you have no responsiblity of your own, and even easier to be sanctamonious about it afterwards. As for it just being mods who left, only time will tell. Not everyone says goodbye and cancels their membership when they walk away. Enjoy sharpening your teeth on this, but try to remember this is a point of view. And whatever you post, i'll be smiling as I read it Good luck, The crap admin formerly known as Algenon
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