Post by Gort on May 26, 2005 16:24:05 GMT
vinea said:
Well, if you knew it would happen why do it?
And no, you didn't let me "try". You pulled the plug by making another PC behave in a way the player would not have. Paladin would have backed my play even if it were suicidal.
Ok ok let take a case out of Star Wars : A new hope, Obi Wan sacrifices himself and his force spirit tells luke "Run Luke, run" and recognising his sacrifice he flees. Sometimes players are in situation where they can do nothing at the time. Like when Leia and Chewie watches helplessly as Han is frozen and han says "Theres will be a nother time" knowing his friends will be killed if he doesnt get Chewie to calm down so to say it is out of genre is wrong.
Yes it was a difficult situation and i knew it was possible that you would try something. But i hoped you would see the odds were against you. Sometimes you just have to deal with terrible situation and then when the time is right meter out your justice.
I did put this plot point in to iritate or annoy but to forward the story. Yes this takes a long time but if you are looking for a quick fix on your characters this isnt it i plan to do many more stories if people are interested and develope the characters over that time, yes we do not have the convenience of a face to face session so we take it slowly...are you in a hurry?
Who the hell knows. We could have always rolled well. We might have won. Hell, we SHOULD have won at least in that first corridor.
No sometimes the odd are insumountable but there is a time and place with planning where things can be turned to your favour.
Given time? It takes about a week to do what would take maybe 15 minutes in a face-to-face game session. The party isn't even on the same planet yet.
This medium is more like a LARP than a PnP format. Skill increases and character progression is far more minimal than in a MMORPG or PnP. Campaigns far shorter lived in terms of game terms. You don't need to worry about overpowered PCs developing and how to keep a campaign going for years. If there is interest it'll do that anyway and the PCs won't actually change that much because any one mission takes months.
There's a SR mission that has lasted about three real time years now on one of the SR boards. A team has to penetrate a building and do an extraction without being seen. One mission. No karma awards, no new toys or gear (except what they find in the building), just an interesting puzzle that they've been working on. I think they're close to done.
Something of an extreme case perhaps but this medium is sloooow unless you do a lot of handwaving.
This medium is more like a LARP than a PnP format. Skill increases and character progression is far more minimal than in a MMORPG or PnP. Campaigns far shorter lived in terms of game terms. You don't need to worry about overpowered PCs developing and how to keep a campaign going for years. If there is interest it'll do that anyway and the PCs won't actually change that much because any one mission takes months.
There's a SR mission that has lasted about three real time years now on one of the SR boards. A team has to penetrate a building and do an extraction without being seen. One mission. No karma awards, no new toys or gear (except what they find in the building), just an interesting puzzle that they've been working on. I think they're close to done.
Something of an extreme case perhaps but this medium is sloooow unless you do a lot of handwaving.
As i said above...are you in a hurry. One of the things about this medium it requires time and patience.
If the Imperials are the protagonists then you really don't need players do you? No, the PCs are the protagonists (principle characters in a story, champions, etc). NPCs are the setting, the opponents.
No the imperials are the protagonists there numbers of evil imperials (generalising here) are huge but will the band of few heros avail against such odds is the stuff of legends.
Outnumbered is a common occurance for PCs. Vastly outskilled typically should not be...because PCs are usually outnumbered.
These are stormtroopers for christ sakes. Cannon fodder in white "shoot me now" armor made of paper mache...I don't think I've seen that armor stop a blaster shot yet in any of the movies...heck Ewoks with ROCKS beat them up. ROCKS! From little furry guys with spears!
These are stormtroopers for christ sakes. Cannon fodder in white "shoot me now" armor made of paper mache...I don't think I've seen that armor stop a blaster shot yet in any of the movies...heck Ewoks with ROCKS beat them up. ROCKS! From little furry guys with spears!
For you to say how skilled oppenants are is beyond your purview but this is all to do with what you 'expect' well take it slowly and count the blasters that were against you.
We can't beat a few asshats that furry little guys with rocks can beat? We suck. We suck bad. Thanks for pointing that out. Ador Tallon is depending on us. ROFL. That guy is SO doomed.
This is all about doing things at the appropriate time so i would advise patience. But ultimately it is your choice i did what i had to do for the story but i have gone as far as i can go with characters around you and situations that will save you from drastic reactions next time full consquences will come to bear. Daerion did what he did cause it was within his character. If Paladin ever decides to play then it will be all down to him and you till then he is an npc.
Bounty Hunter is a badass? Sure. I can buy that...he's the recurring bad guy. He gets away because he has the same kind of "luck" and abilities as a PC. He's like our own personal Vader.
Maybe...maybe...
Yes, not everything needs to be a confrontation.
But here is a ex-lover of a PC who captured by the Imperials as a spy. A uniformed spy. AKA Traitor of the Worst Kind. Who just shot a blackshirt.
But here is a ex-lover of a PC who captured by the Imperials as a spy. A uniformed spy. AKA Traitor of the Worst Kind. Who just shot a blackshirt.
Yes she saw fit to sacrifice herself to let her one time lover, friend and confident that she has entrusted to a mission of such import to her and to the galaxy she thinks her life being forfeited is justified.
Lemme see, going by the movies she gets a) thrown in a detention cell with a torture bot b) pumped for information via drugs and pain and c) terminated when her usefulness is over. If she doesn't have the willpower of Leia she breaks. Likely relatively soon. So "C" happens not to far in the future. Unless rescued.
There are plenty of prison worlds, i will decide her fate given time.
"Many Bothans Died" indicates that the Empire doesn't keep captured spies around very long. Heck, the princess, a Senator (well ex-Senator) wasn't going to be kept around long.
She was getting killed cause they didnt word getting out that she was captured cause it would cause sympathy in the senate
If that isn't a need for confrontation there never is.
Time is ticking unless the characters can depend on the Empire behaving in a way other than what is described in canon material. How do they depend on that?
How long to Tatooine? How long to do whatever the mission is? How long to grind enough "levels" so one lousy squad of stormtroopers and a couple bounty hunters (who likely isn't Boba Fett since he CAN'T be killed or we break continuity with the movies) doesn't require GM intervention to "save" the party?
Think of it as "she's dead unless we save her now". The "longer term solution" is a memorial service at some rebel base somewhere.
To leave the station is for the character to decide to "write her off" because there is no assurance that she is going to last out the week. Didn't we just HAVE this discussion?
Omid isn't going to "write her off". Period. He's going back in. As GM you set up the scenario where he has no other choice.
Time is ticking unless the characters can depend on the Empire behaving in a way other than what is described in canon material. How do they depend on that?
How long to Tatooine? How long to do whatever the mission is? How long to grind enough "levels" so one lousy squad of stormtroopers and a couple bounty hunters (who likely isn't Boba Fett since he CAN'T be killed or we break continuity with the movies) doesn't require GM intervention to "save" the party?
Think of it as "she's dead unless we save her now". The "longer term solution" is a memorial service at some rebel base somewhere.
To leave the station is for the character to decide to "write her off" because there is no assurance that she is going to last out the week. Didn't we just HAVE this discussion?
Omid isn't going to "write her off". Period. He's going back in. As GM you set up the scenario where he has no other choice.
Im glad you aren't writing her off so let carry on and if you gotta do something which you feel you must do i will play it out. But if you wish to honour her wish we can do that too. As i said the ball is in your park now.
Kill him if need be. But I sure as hell ain't playing a character that you gave an ex-lover that he is supposed to still have feelings for whom he has to go "Oh look she's captured...she's likely going to die a pain filled death...oh well...lets go to Tatooine to rescue a superfluous tactician...la la la". I mean the situation is so bizarrely wrong its starting to be hilarious. Screw the redundant general...I'm getting the babe out first.
I'm sure George would approve. This is Star Wars after all...some guy turns to the darkside, destroys the Republic and kills all the Jedi over a chick.
Vinea
I'm sure George would approve. This is Star Wars after all...some guy turns to the darkside, destroys the Republic and kills all the Jedi over a chick.
Vinea
You must do what you must do and so will I. I can only act and react to what you 'must' do.
"May the force be with you"