Gort
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Post by Gort on May 5, 2005 22:04:54 GMT
I dont know what everyone is looking for in this game. But what i was seeking was a little serious fantasy, sure i enjoy a laugh in game but deliberate silliness and ooc behaviour doesnt do much for me in terms of getting me into the story. I am not looking to impose a way upon people who want to play that way but if they want to please let me know now cause i bow out here. I have 20 years of RPG experience GM and Player alike and i know laughter and side splitting moment are the classic stuff of well remembered and liked games, but it has always been incidental. So just let me know which direction you want in this game.
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Post by paladin on May 5, 2005 22:24:31 GMT
I dont know what everyone is looking for in this game. But what i was seeking was a little serious fantasy, sure i enjoy a laugh in game but deliberate silliness and ooc behaviour doesnt do much for me in terms of getting me into the story. I am not looking to impose a way upon people who want to play that way but if they want to please let me know now cause i bow out here. I have 20 years of RPG experience GM and Player alike and i know laughter and side splitting moment are the classic stuff of well remembered and liked games, but it has always been incidental. So just let me know which direction you want in this game. I don't have the desire nor skill to run a serious fantasy game. I deleted my last post because 1) I spelled it wrong lol 2) I was under the influence of Coors Light when I posted it 3) it was stupid As far as the rest of it goes, we are just getting our feet wet, testing the waters so to speak. I'm not sure how serious it will get and I will not even try to control what others bring to the table. Vinea had me in tears I already planned on adding your back story into our little adventure here and set it up to take it to the next level, but what am I suppose to do when some drunk guy throws meat at me? I am just here to have a little fun, not sure what else I can say.
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Post by paladin on May 5, 2005 22:29:59 GMT
I would also like to add Gort, that I for one hope ya stay.
You're not just mad cuz Oswald slapped ya upside the head are you? He can be a bit overbearing at times, but the man has a good heart.
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Gort
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Post by Gort on May 5, 2005 22:41:44 GMT
As for regarding Osward, i measured my reaction as not to start a ruckuss. In all reality i would treat Osward as if someone had hit me and knock him out. But to foster feelings as you say to get peoples feet wet i didnt kill your NPC off of the bat. My character respects and would not abuse others and for him to be treated other wise would not sit well with him. As for the game in general i would like some levity yes there is an enormous joy in creating a story. Whether serious or for fun. Just the deliberate sillyness is what doesnt get me into the story. If my feelings don't sit well with the way you want to run it, i will have no problems just sitting on the sidelines:)
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Post by vinea on May 5, 2005 22:54:29 GMT
I dont know what everyone is looking for in this game. But what i was seeking was a little serious fantasy, sure i enjoy a laugh in game but deliberate silliness and ooc behaviour doesnt do much for me in terms of getting me into the story. I am not looking to impose a way upon people who want to play that way but if they want to please let me know now cause i bow out here. We're in a tavern. I provided a "hook" for folks to get acquainted in a somewhat more festive manner than usual. It could have turned deadly serious and frankly I was perfectly willing for it to go that route. But what do you expect? Some guy just called a woman a thief with scant proof and no obvious authority beyond his blade. Hell, I was making spot checks to look for "activity" and missed the whole exchange at the same bar and this guy is across the damn room reading a book. If all that extra text wasn't there and this just happened out of the blue how would folks react? Shouldn't some of the fighter types defend her "honor"? Now, we kinda all know she's a rogue from OOC but there's no IC basis for knowing. She can guess that about me now depending on how well or poorly I did. But to every one else I should just be a sword jock IC. He's obviously badass and I'm not. If I sandbag a little and he's a tiny bit fooled I might die on the SECOND swing of the first round rather than the first but I'm inclined to challenge anyway because well...that's just kinda the way the character is. So I try to play it off in a more comic, character preserving manner than bold, brassy and serious-like which I might take if I were say...oh, 10th level, 100+ HP and had friends in high places in case he's a noble or was a noble myself. If he IS a noble rather than a high level (unknighted) church warrior of some kind I'm in deep assed shit unless he's amused by the antics. The only way NOT to die is to make it funny. IC. And being dead isn't the worst thing a noble can do to you. At 1st level you improvise and solve problems differently because 8 HP is two rat farts and you've got the influence of a gnat. If you want it to be incidental then its incidental. We're still in the tavern without final stats. If your character is that offended at being hit by a sausage you can take offense and we can be serious in a big hurry. 12 HP is 3 rat farts. All I need to get is lucky. Hell, when I challenged I figured unless he was amused I was re-rolling which was too bad. The other PCs in the room I ain't so worried about pissing off. Which reminds me...is this the kind of group where PK is allowed? Its not what I'm used to but I can play that game if need be. I'd rather not have to watch my back but some folks find it more fun. -V
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Gort
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Post by Gort on May 5, 2005 23:19:08 GMT
Well it was an incident without proof that did not go further. If it were to then i would decide whether i was in it, was it relvant to me, was it justifiable etc etc
Well this is point and case of setting yourself in a role you mean to follow. If you play it comic then when you get to 10th level then play seriously it would be out of character how you have consistantly played the character. I mean to play him progressively and to develope him as situations happen and not suddenly deem myself at a certain mark and play it a different way.
That kind of talk is just lookin for hostility in the potential party, so if you are looking for that kind of arena is suggest you pick a PVP MMORPG and have a ball. Cause its a major turn off when it becomes a pissing constest when some does something to another player and doesnt think there will be consequences.
Depends on what you bring to the table.
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Post by vinea on May 5, 2005 23:22:06 GMT
For the record, this is part of the reason I dislike playing lowbies. In almost all scenarios the direct, frontal assault approach is the incorrect one. And sometimes that's just the most fun.
You simply can't play badass and stay true to the world. Mid-levels (7-12) is about optimal IMHO. You can beat the average village tough guy so if the local heavy is being an ass you can call 'em on it without dying outright.
ol' Oswald is likely to kick Borias' 1st level ass. The cliche adventurer's inn is usually owned by a retired adventurer. Jolly ol' Oswald is more likely to be a lord level fighter, to use old school terminology, as a level 0 barkeep. And at level 1 you can still lose.
Its worse in 3 ed...professions have levels if I remember right. He could be a 10th level barkeep with the HP and combat bonus to match.
You hit Oswald intending to knock him out in any of the campaigns I've been in and unless he laughs it off, you just won the booby prize of a sound beating followed by an undesired face/ground interface outside the tavern.
-V
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Post by tonic on May 5, 2005 23:39:17 GMT
Um im confused who cast the spell? Was it oswald or rothgar?
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Gort
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Post by Gort on May 5, 2005 23:41:48 GMT
That maybe and i am likely to get an arse kicking but Osward cannot look at me and go 'Theres a level one i can clap him around the head' No if someone goes for me being the character he is will do what he would regardless of the lvl he is out of principle.
In the many games that i have run i avoid at costs insulting my players because it is likely to degenerate into an unfair brawl, or harbour ill will for the gm. Its pretty much all about respect. Like i would not take liberties and abuse such players without agreeing there will be a reaction to it and in fairness to game balance i would have to make 'ie' the barkeep level 1 and let them have at it. And not make the character or player be force to swallow humiliation in a beating or swallow there self worth and let crap happen to them.
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Post by tonic on May 5, 2005 23:45:53 GMT
*hides*
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Post by vinea on May 5, 2005 23:46:36 GMT
Well it was an incident without proof that did not go further. If it were to then i would decide whether i was in it, was it relvant to me, was it justifiable etc etc That's the point...its an incident without proof. If he called Borias a thief without proof how would he react? Draw? He insulted her in a public manner that requires a public response. Otherwise she's deemed to be just what he accuses her of...a thief. And a bad one at that. Folks can do almost anything to her at this point and simply point out she's a publically known thief, was up to no good and therefore deserved whatever happened. Who's word is the law going to take? The known half-breed thief outsider or the law abiding local? I think that at 19 I responded differently than I do now as a more seasoned individual. I also don't take as much crap as I might have then. Just because I would have him respond differently at 10th doesn't mean that he's not also going to be that way at 9th or 8th. Its situational and evolves. At 2nd or 3rd its more like 1st than 10th. He's green, he knows it. At 10th, not so green. Deserves more respect. Gets it more often than not and doesn't need to avoid direct confrontations so much. No, it's playing to your character. Borias "releases the grip on his sword hilt within his cloak" because the grizzled barkeeps treats him as the greenhorn he is. That the possibility of drawing occured to your character for what Oswald did indicates that he takes personal honor seriously. Perhaps too seriously for folks of our age. Taking offense is what I would think would be IC for him because of your portrayal of him. Martin, not so much...play it off as something else to avoid a direct confrontation. But not so much that he's going to avoid a direct challenge if you should take offense and ask for a duel. It needn't be to the death...first blood works. Asking for anything more than 1st blood that is reaching. Vinea
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Post by vinea on May 6, 2005 0:07:11 GMT
That maybe and i am likely to get an arse kicking but Osward cannot look at me and go 'Theres a level one i can clap him around the head' No if someone goes for me being the character he is will do what he would regardless of the lvl he is out of principle. All our characters are younger and less experienced in what is likely an obvious way. He likely would be more circumspect with folks that looked more experienced. I agree...and in part that's why Martin responded the way he did and Paladin did just fine in defusing the situation. Likely folks will forget about Rue or if they remember then they'll remember a soldier type potentially willing to stick up for her. And perhaps it's the GM trying to warn your character to be somewhat more circumspect in flashing that emblem around. A slap on the head in the tavern today is better than being sold out to whomever the backstory is about. They don't appear to be "nice people". An individual that is so forthright in showing a potentially dangerous emblem is likely the same kind of individual to go looking directly at someone they shouldn't. But anyway...I shall play Martin in a more serious manner in the future. While the silliness was deliberate it wasn't frivolous. Well, maybe just a little. Vinea
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Post by paladin on May 6, 2005 0:36:37 GMT
Ok lets see if I can clear up a few things. Oswald is who he is, he is loud and annoying at times but the man has a good heart. He didn't treat you the way he did out of disrespect, he treats damn near everyone that way. He is old and set in his ways, if you took offence he offers no apologies and if you wish to draw steel he would love to oblige ya. Further more if you have issues with the man take it up with him, in his mind he is doing no wrong. You are a quest in his bar and nothing more AT THIS point in time. Rothgar, You are just now getting a taste for who the man is and what he is capable of. You may not have known Rue's intentions but Rothgar did. Did he do what he did because he thinks he is a Billy Badass, or did he do what he did because he already knows what destiny has in store for the young lady and wanted to test her ilk? Maybe he is even testing the other patrons, judging and watching every move they make, searching for the ones with the right stuff to bestow on them adventuring goodness. Will I tell you here and now what he is about? Nope, not gonna happen. But lets see here, as stern as he comes across he must have a sense of humor to turn a meat product into a flying buzzing swelling birthday boy chaser+3. Why not give it time, play it out, and see what happens? In this tale not all problems are best handled with blood and steel, adapt and overcome or end up re-rolling And no I would rather not have PvP. Now then I am a team player, if everyone would rather have a serious balls to the wall adventure, I would be more than happy to step aside and let Gort take over. I just think it's a tad bit early to pass judgement............
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Post by paladin on May 6, 2005 0:49:19 GMT
I'll try to address a few more points ina better manner. That maybe and i am likely to get an arse kicking but Osward cannot look at me and go 'Theres a level one i can clap him around the head' Correct he doesn't know what level you are, but he does know you are green, he knows that brash actions from a youngster usually ends up with that youngster tasting steel before his time, he also knows that there are better more subtle ways to get information out of a Tavern full of Drunks. To be honest I have no idea who you are or what you are about. I know everyone else here and have a good idea on how they will react. I didn't do or type anything to insult you, I was having fun with Oswald. Me thinks you might be taking the little game here run by self admitted rusty as hell haven't done this in forever would rather laugh than argue bunch of asshats, a little bit too serious.
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Gort
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Post by Gort on May 6, 2005 0:52:30 GMT
I'm game:)
It was no dissrespect to all certainly. I was just clearing the air. And by all means i have run too many games without playing in them so i am more than happy with my role and have no disire to take on your role Pally. Its an interesting way to run the game and i have a desire to see its progress and everyone enjoy themselves:) Well thats the point, to have fun ;D
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