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Post by woooooooo on Jul 27, 2011 20:54:01 GMT
Heard about it?
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Post by sheral on Jul 27, 2011 21:27:40 GMT
Yes, but only from the blogs my husband reads. He told me to look it up, but I could find no mention of it anywhere other than politically biased blogs. I don't consider those a source of truth (left or right). Not saying it's not true, just that I haven't been able to verify it on anything I'd consider a reliable source.
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Post by Yuusuke on Jul 27, 2011 21:55:51 GMT
@sheral
Look under "Operation Fast and Furious"; 'Gunwalker' is a media appellation.
There are major media reports, AZ state and local media reports (and now FL and TX as well), Congressional hearings and testimony, all that I think you'd consider reputable reports. There are also no small number of tell-alls coming out and those you can sort through and treat appropriately. There is a lot out there.
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Post by tantalyr on Jul 27, 2011 22:05:02 GMT
Yes, I've certainly heard and read quite a bit about it since the cartels are an increasing threat to my beloved Texas.
It is, at heart, simply another example of how dysfunctional our government is. It appears that both the FBI and the DEA "forgot" to mention to the ATF that several of the gunrunners were informants and, thus, untouchable. As a result, the runners were able to easily circumvent the ATF plans to track them to higher level buyers. And as I've read it, the number of guns successfully smuggled to the cartels was enough to arm a battalion.
Great work guys! Simply outstanding!
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Post by FrithRae on Jul 28, 2011 17:29:06 GMT
nope no clue what you are talking about. Outside of inferences from Tant's comment  |
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Post by Pharcellus on Jul 28, 2011 21:03:16 GMT
Operation: ATF Morons-in-charge aka "Fast and Furious"
I don't think we got furious fast enough for that stupidity to come to fruition.
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Post by Yuusuke on Jul 28, 2011 22:09:07 GMT
..."forgot" to mention to the ATF that several of the gunrunners were informants and, thus, untouchable. ... And as I've read it, the number of guns successfully smuggled to the cartels was enough to arm a battalion. That is the public statement so far, but... (House Subcommittee hearing give us some public evidence that is a cover story; I've good reason to believe BATFE knew from minute one who was paying and who was trafficking.) and closer to five battalion on the old line model; a bit over 2,100 weapons apparently intentionally allowed into the Mexican Black Market through straw purchases in the U.S. ; some more to Honduras and Guatemala via a similar mechanism (although not as brazenly run as the AZ TX legs of the operations) Question 1 remains "What was the U.S. government thinking could *possibly* be of benefit in doing this?" But a close second appears to be "Did political interests in the BATFE (and DoJ and quite possibly higher) just intentionally act in a manner destabilizing to neighboring nations and at harm to the populace of the U.S. and neighboring nations... for naked political gain on an issue?" It's a pretty smelly mess. Nixon Dirty Tricks level smelly. ...with dead bodies... ...in the hundreds, when all the deaths at scenes where some of the weapons have been recovered are counted... ... including 2 US LEOs. Your Tax Dollars At Work. |
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Post by sheral on Jul 29, 2011 18:01:40 GMT
@sheral Look under "Operation Fast and Furious"; 'Gunwalker' is a media appellation. There are major media reports, AZ state and local media reports (and now FL and TX as well), Congressional hearings and testimony, all that I think you'd consider reputable reports. There are also no small number of tell-alls coming out and those you can sort through and treat appropriately. There is a lot out there. Thanks, that provided a lot more info and not just from the propaganda blogs I turned up by Googling 'Gunwalkers'. The sad thing is, none of it surprised me very much. I wanted to be shocked and horrified, but I wasn't. I wasn't even disappointed - to be disappointed would have meant I had a high opinion of government agencies on the whole. And that would be silly. With this and the whole debt ceiling ridiculousness, I do have to wonder just how much crap the American people are willing to take before they turn around and say 'enough'. I'm not talking from a political party standpoint here, either. I'm talking about the whole corrupt, stinking mess that is the US government. |
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Post by Pharcellus on Jul 29, 2011 18:44:09 GMT
Been there for years. Waiting on the ignorant masses to catch up, but sadly they never will -- there is an endless supply of them, and their ignorance is 1) infectious, and 2) persistent.
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Post by Kulamata on Jul 31, 2011 1:04:01 GMT
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Post by Kulamata on Aug 3, 2011 23:31:37 GMT
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Post by kirinir on Aug 4, 2011 10:24:33 GMT
haven't read it, but I'm betting it's something along the lines of.... If I wants enough guns to starts me own armoury ain't no gob'ment gonna be able to tells me no! |
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Post by woooooooo on Jun 21, 2012 13:13:41 GMT
11 Months ago this surfaced, and now it seems its on the forefront of the news.
Something fishy here.
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Post by Pharcellus on Jun 22, 2012 7:01:45 GMT
Oh, some right-wing nutbag blogger in Alabama (Michael Vanderboegh) put a bee in the Repub's bonnet over it being some backdoor conspiracy to get draconian gun control legislation passed, and Faux News is going nuts trying to make it sound real. Maddow covers it in detail: www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#47913857It is, of course, utter right-wing whackjob bullshit, since Fast and Furious was started during the Dubya administration. I really wish all the fucking lying douchebags would shut the fuck up or just hurry up and die in a fire. Painfully. |
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Post by woooooooo on Jun 22, 2012 15:39:23 GMT
Actually, it was Wide Receiver in the Bush administration.
Why the executive privilege then?
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