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Syria
Sept 9, 2013 17:49:25 GMT
Post by woooooooo on Sept 9, 2013 17:49:25 GMT
Okay, someone explain to me why we should play game of drones with Syria?
Phar, I would love to hear your stance on this.
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Syria
Sept 9, 2013 19:23:48 GMT
Post by tantalyr on Sept 9, 2013 19:23:48 GMT
I'll bite . . .
Other than assuaging our beloved president's rather battered ego on the issue of "red lines" (whose red line is it anyway?), I am hard pressed to imagine what a strike against Syria could credibly accomplish of value to U.S. interests.
First, let's assume that chemical agents were indeed used against Syrian civilians. Let's further assume that Assad actually ordered the use of those chemical agents (a rather long stretch given intelligence reports I've read in the news the past few days). So, let's assume for the purpose of discussion that Assad in fact crossed some "red line" drawn by Obama (not the world as he asserted last week).
What is this strike supposed to be? In the famous words of W following 9/11 (describing prior cruise missile strikes in Afghanistan by Clinton), it had better be "something more than a cruise missile thrown up some camel's butt." But what? Strikes against supposed chemical plants? Undoubtedly by now Assad would have shut down those plants and moved their manufacturing facilities to other locations, likely among the civilian population. Targeting those new facilities would, of course, be an unmitigated disaster.
Strikes to "decapitate" Assad and his government? Yeah, that strategy worked out real well against Saddam (and even Qaddafi). And even if we got really, really lucky and the strikes managed to actually kill Assad and his closest henchmen, then what? Rebel factions--including Hezbollah and al Qaeda led factions--would then take over the Syrian government. Wouldn't such a government be MUCH worse for world--much less Middle East--peace than Assad's?
And after the strikes, then the deluge. I'll wager all of Israel is praying that Obama does NOT lob any missiles at Syria, because who knows what not only Syria, but Iran, will do in retaliation--not against the U.S. but against Israel. In effect, Obama would likely be sacrificing the security of Israel to salve his own wounded ego.
Finally, do we really, really want to involve ourselves in yet another foreign civil war? We don't have a great history in doing that (think Vietnam, for instance).
So were I a senator or congressman pondering any resolution permitting Obama to strike Syria, I wouldn't vote no, I would vote HELL NO.
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Sept 9, 2013 19:48:53 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 19:48:53 GMT
I agree with the President on a red line. There is, the US didn't establish it, the international community established it. Now, that said, we've sadly not stood firm against those very same things many times in the last 60 years.
Ultimately, however, strikes will do nothing. If we do anything I think we should cut off their money.
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Syria
Sept 10, 2013 2:11:00 GMT
Post by D0Zer on Sept 10, 2013 2:11:00 GMT
Both sides are our enemy's, let them take each other out. More so because the rebels are more Al-Quida than when the civil war first started. Obama once again opened his mouth and screwed up with the red line bullshit and now is looking for a way out of it. From all the reports (articles) I have read, no one is really sure who did it and I wouldn't put it past either side of doing it. So let them kill each other. We also don't want to fuck with Russia and cause a world war. You may like this letter from Putin to the American people. beforeitsnews.com/u-s-politics/2013/09/putin-sends-a-letter-to-americans-2448150.html
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Syria
Sept 10, 2013 17:32:04 GMT
Post by FrithRae on Sept 10, 2013 17:32:04 GMT
I don' think we want to stop them from killing each other...
I think the bigger concern is..as has always been.. "and when that stuff gets turned on us (our intersts, our allies, whomever) or the wind blows wrong and then half of N. Africa and/or Central Europe is now under chemical weapon warnings..."
And Obama didn't make up the red line - the UN banned Chemical Weapons long time ago..its THEIR red line... we're just expected/looked upon..to be the ones enforcing it.
Which isn't fair..but here we are.
Personally, if the allies in the UN aren't willing to put their bullets where their mouths are - and only expect US to take the risk (and fallout/fall/backlash) I say... No.
Maybe if they feel threatened enough for real they'll do something about it WITH us and not just expect US to do it on our own...
Otherwise, clearly the threat isn't threat enough for them to want to protect themselves..so then there's no reason for us to worry. Heh.]
So far there's been lots reportedly more private support, but no one but France willing to publically back us.
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Syria
Sept 11, 2013 10:11:34 GMT
Post by tantalyr on Sept 11, 2013 10:11:34 GMT
The President made his case to the people last night, but I doubt he changed many minds--certainly not mine.
Now let's see if the Russian initiative to place Syrian chemical weapons under international control pans out . . . .
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Syria
Sept 12, 2013 9:24:59 GMT
Post by kirinir on Sept 12, 2013 9:24:59 GMT
So it was good enough to launch drones into Libya, but not Syria?
Repeat after me, it's all about the oil......
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Syria
Sept 12, 2013 12:16:14 GMT
Post by woooooooo on Sept 12, 2013 12:16:14 GMT
Its a sad day when I respect Putin more thatn Potus.
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Sept 12, 2013 13:29:11 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 13:29:11 GMT
Really? He's far worse than Obama any day. Heck, he's worse than Bush (and I can't believe I just typed that). He talked about "all men created equal" yet he just passed laws against gays, he has been ruthless against the Chechens and other groups labelled as "terrorists", and he's worked hard to ensure he remains in power by changing his constitution to fit his desires - a return to soviet policy and power.
At teh end of the day, no matter whether you like or hate an American president, they are only in power for 4 to 8 years and then they are gone and you have someone new. You can't say the same for Russian leaders.
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Syria
Sept 12, 2013 13:38:14 GMT
Post by woooooooo on Sept 12, 2013 13:38:14 GMT
That was sarcasm Amon. lol
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Sept 12, 2013 13:46:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 13:46:02 GMT
That was sarcasm Amon. lol ah... whew. Thats good to know!
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