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Post by FrithRae on Jul 20, 2005 14:23:59 GMT
Ok, here are the poll questions we are getting ready to put to a vote. If you guys have any further discussion - any question you feeling you want addressed we're not addressing - now you're chance to speak up and we can add it to the poll. This is NOT the poll - this is just what you're gonna vote on and some mods felt it should be displayed so that way if we were missing something you guys can catch us on it.  You'll note the third option gives people who dont give a shit an answer - if you really don't care then I guess you'd just go with what the majority wishes - and is more helpful than a "I don't care" vote. Poll questions: ----------------------------------------------- 1-Do you think this part of the Current RR Rules should be removed: Yes No I'll side with the majority ------------------------------------------ 2 - Do you feel the Sheriff's Office should be viewable by all and no longer a "moderate only" Forum? Yes No I'll Side with the Majority ----------------------------------------------- 3 - If a member posts in any topic in a way that is off topic or personally insulting/flamming/inflamatory, the Originator of the topic, And/OR the person being insulted/flamed - has the right to request that the post be removed/moved from the thread (i.e to the PVP forum, or just to its own thread). Mods shall follow the request of the Originator of the topic, or the person subject to the insult. In other words, Mods will only act on a thread "hijack" at the request of the Original Thread Creator (the OP), or at the request of the person being insulted in the thread. Yes No I'll go with the Majority ------------------------------------------- The third question I had trouble phrasing - so if anyone has any other way to make it MORE clear what mods will and will not do - please speak up . IF the third question is passed it will be added to the rules for all to be aware of. I want to make sure such questions never have to be debated again. If that means making it *crystal* clear where everyone's responsiblities lies...then so be it. Call me Anal...I don't care . This let's people be adult about things, or not even have to fool with it - but the choice lies with the member. So...any comments/suggestions/retractions/whateverah? Frith-Rae |
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Post by arseovrteakettl on Jul 20, 2005 14:42:17 GMT
they look great to me Frithy.
I wonder if we shouldn't also ask the following two questions:
Should this board be shut down?
yes
no
I'll go with the majority
If the board continues, should we hold an election for the board administrator?
yes
no
I'll go with the majority
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Post by tantalyr on Jul 20, 2005 15:50:46 GMT
Frith's Questions:
1) No
2) No
3) Yes
AoTK's Questions:
1) No
2) No
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Post by arseovrteakettl on Jul 20, 2005 16:06:07 GMT
JUST TO BE CLEAR
We are asking for a discussion of the poll questions, not for a vote on the poll questions now.
Once we have all agreed on which poll questions to include, we will hold the poll.
So Tant, can you please clarify if you were voting in your post, or just giving feedback on the questions we will put in the poll?
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Post by tantalyr on Jul 20, 2005 19:02:59 GMT
Oh, sorry, I was . . . ummm . . . tersely providing my feedback on the questions . . . .  As for real feedback: 1) As I noted in another post somewhere (I think in one of the original Forum Forum threads), I think it cowardly to flame some other player/poster/moderator if they have no idea that you're bashing them. Letting them know in advance that you're about to call them out (or worse) on this board is just the civil thing to do. So I would vote against deleting this rule. 2) I also believe the Sheriff's Office should be opaque to non-moderators. There are just too many issues that are best handled behind the scenes to avoid embarrassing one or more posters and/or to avoid embroiling other posters in what otherwise would--and should--be a problem between just a couple of members. Here's an example: for (perhaps very) personal reasons Jane becomes very upset at some post by Joe. She takes it to PM's with no resolution, then takes the matter to the mods when Joe keeps posting in the same vein. If this matter were put to the entire board for a vote, then (a) Jane's personal issue (which she may well wish to have remained private) becomes public knowledge, thus potentially causing severe embarrassment, and (b) whoever "loses" the vote potentially feels that he/she is being ganged up on. Neither result is helpful. To the contrary, they just worsen an already bad situation. 3) I further agree that mods must--not should--delete any hijacking post at the initial request of the Original Poster, with a PM to the hijacker that if he/she wishes to continue the hijack thought, then he/she should start another thread in the appropriate forum to do so. Given the creation of the PvP forum, I think the same rule should be applied viz posts which directly flame another poster. You can disagree violently with the argument set forth in the post, but if you want to slam the poster for just positing the argument, then take it to PvP. 4) I haven't a clue why the question whether this board should be shuttered should even be raised. It's a non-starter for me. Just because a few posters get upset and leave any board is absolutely no reason to punish the remaining members by closing up the board. I wouldn't even put this question in the poll. 5) I don't particularly have any strong feelings about voting for Chief Poobah Doodah Administrator for the board. My inclination is to say no as I just don't think the running of any board should be left to a popularity contest. But I won't be disgruntled either way the majority may feel. A final, general note: I really don't feel that we need any substantive changes or additions to the rules that presently govern this board. In my view we've rocked along quite well with the rules presently in place. Sure folks have gotten ticked from time to time and left. And many of those have come back (me included). The genesis of this poll, I suspect, is the departure of our British friends, but as others have expressed more eloquently than I in other posts and other threads, the reasons engendering those departures provide little, if any reason, to change what this board is, and always has been, all about. |
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Post by tonic on Jul 21, 2005 11:06:00 GMT
they look great to me Frithy. I wonder if we shouldn't also ask the following two questions: Should this board be shut down? yes no I'll go with the majority If the board continues, should we hold an election for the board administrator? yes no I'll go with the majority I dont think either should be placed on the poll. Somedays when we are bombarded by hate and left defending then i feel like we should just find a new place in peace. Thats me though not wanting to deal with conflict. Alot of others here dont mind the hassles so it wouldnt be fair to ask this to be a topic of the poll. Board adim election? Are you crazy? Not a chance! I love what i see from the new team! Dont change a thing! |
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Post by tonic on Jul 21, 2005 11:14:18 GMT
Well i dunno about that..
I mean i agree but already ive been mentioned in the "silly persons" thread and i think it should be in PVP just on the nature of the thread.
What if a poster starts a thread just to flame/spam placing it randomly on the boards for sport? Do you think they will ask a mod to move it? Some situations will need to be based on the judgement of the mod. IMO
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Post by Pharcellus on Jul 21, 2005 16:41:20 GMT
I agree mostly with what Tantalyr has said, but I will point out my additional concerns: 1) Is this rule absolute, or will exceptions be made for certain people. IE, are we to not bash public figures and celebrities without proof that we extended an invitation for them to come defend themselves? I think there need to be exceptions considered in this rule. An example: D0Zer-bashing. I consider him a "celebrity" worthy of an exception because of his widely-known and frequent postings, and don't see a problem bashing him for them without offerring him an invitation to defend himself here. 2) I don't see a point in having the "Sheriff's Office" if it isn't opaque to non-staff. You can just talk about staff issues in the other forums as needed, if that were the case. 3) While I think that giving the OP some authority or level of control of the flow of the thread he/she started is a good thing, I don't understand the "inflammatory/insulting" part. These forums, to my knowledge, and with the exception of the Club Tropicana and RP Playroom (now the FORUM FORUM too) were intended to be "almost anything goes" flamewar boards. Has that now changed? Sometimes people deserve a smack across the fingers when they are being impertinent. I know I deserve it, probably more than most. As for arse's questions, they both are non-starters for me, too, so I see no need to discuss them other than to say they aren't needed. |
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Post by Nali on Jul 21, 2005 17:14:48 GMT
Reminder folks, this thread is not to discuss your opinions on the questions, but whether they are topics that should be discussed, and if you have ideas for other topics that need to be discussed.
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Post by FrithRae on Jul 21, 2005 17:37:24 GMT
ok let's see here... Yes Nali has a point - we aren't really wanting your opinion on where the vote should go or what you think *winks* We were asking here as to wether the questions were addressing issues many raised recently and wanted a poll for to "change", and wether anyone had any other issues they felt weren't being addressed to add to the poll. Arse looks like you're getting voted down onyour suggestion of your two new polls - neither one I feel should be an issue. And hell no who runs the boards should not be through a "vote" . If others opinions continue to disagree iwth these questions being needed i do not see putting those up to a poll vote. ANd yes Tant - that third "new rule" would be that if the OP requests a hijacking/flaming post removed the mod WOULD MOST CERTAINLY move it - it would not be up for discussion or disagreement. Yes Tonic you bring up a good point, if someone posts a thread somewhere for the sole purpose of creating issues then yes the mods sh ould move it even if they don't ask. But at the same time I can think of a few threads in the Religion/Politics forum that upon their posting I pesronally thought there were there only to "start up trouble". Yet in the end that showed not to be the case. I think that is a rare occurance and should be deicded on a need to basis - as in if five posters then post saying something needs to be moved as its obvously flame bait - then we'd go with that. OR if something is clearly off topic and in the wrong forum, we'd just go ahead and move those as we always have. To me the spirit and hoiepfully letter of that rule comes across as in the mods don't have power to willy nilly decide when something goes to far and when its not - as pepole have different basis for that judgements and as a mod it shouldn't be abused power. So if we leave it up to the people involved, *for the most part* (guess I should take out that exclusivity wording), they can then decide "hey you know what I don't want this anymore... move it" Phar - the inflame/insulting part was in the hoipes of keeping things from degenerating to a point where everyone is unhappy - but none feels they have a right to take action - because it may or may not be seen as an "anything goes" board. I'mt not saying no ranting and no flaming. I'm saying if you flame someone and they feel you crossed a line, then they have a right to request that it be moved to PVP. And if its in the middle of someone else's thread, the OP has a right to not be hijacked. Now if everyone's playing along and flaming and noone complains well - it stays where it is. Back when the boards first opened after a month or so, I remember we very much got into a discussion as to wether this was a a TRUE anything goes forum - and I thinik it was actually voted on . And well we're NOT a true anyhing goes forum. (i'm on one of those and this ain't it..and I pointed it out at that time too). So if someone persoinally feels someone is going to far and doesn't want it to go any farther than they can then ask for the posts to be removed/moved from wherever they are. Again this isn't wether you agree on such a policy - just wether you think its a good thing to be brought up to a vote and under discussion. Kinda like Committee's at the Senate. They don't actually vote on the decision, just on the merit of the question being brought to the table. When the poll actually goes up - THEN you can vote "no" and have the discussion there as to why you think so. If anyone has any better suggestions for rewording of any of the questsions PLEASE offer them up. Question Three could certanly be improved to be more clear if needed - just need help figuring out how that comes across wtihout needing a big long explanation . Frith-Rae |
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Post by Pharcellus on Jul 21, 2005 18:41:06 GMT
Reminder folks, this thread is not to discuss your opinions on the questions, but whether they are topics that should be discussed, and if you have ideas for other topics that need to be discussed. Huh? I am confused... Sounds like we are supposed to be discussed to me, but YMMV (that's Yak Motorists Meditate Violently, in case you had a question about what it meant). |
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Post by tonic on Jul 21, 2005 18:43:30 GMT
Reminder folks, this thread is not to discuss your opinions on the questions, but whether they are topics that should be discussed, and if you have ideas for other topics that need to be discussed. Huh? I am confused... Sounds like we are supposed to be discussed to me, but YMMV (that's Yak Motorists Meditate Violently, in case you had a question about what it meant). oh i thought it meant HA we laugh in the face of your rules |
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Post by FrithRae on Jul 22, 2005 15:27:30 GMT
ok my longwindedness works against me sometimes and I just confuse.. We are talking about the merit of the poll question, and if you have any OTHER things you'd like a poll to be made to change/reaffirm. As in wether the question even needs to be asked (and I do think all three of these still need to be asked) This thread is not meant to discuss your yes/no vote and why. Or why you disagree with something possibly being changed, or agree with something possibly being changed. So far I'm seeing that the first three questions still stand on being Polled for - not Arse's two suggested questions (as so far everyone doesn't think that needs to be even up for change). And I'm seeing some possible wording issues with the third. I'm thinking it needs to be changed to indicate it IS a way the mods will act, but not the ONLY way they may choose to act . Frith-Rae |
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Post by FrithRae on Jul 27, 2005 17:52:15 GMT
ok polls are UP and ready to be voted upon/discussed directly . They will all be open for one week - next wednesday they will be locked down and whatever winnign vote action needs to be taken will be uhh..taken. Frith-Rae |
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