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Post by Pharcellus on Oct 12, 2013 23:37:44 GMT
Well, if you follow the "Free and Open Markets" economic mantra, kinda makes sense that a mandatory insurance system would be based on the ability to buy the plan you want, can afford, etc, in a "free and open market" for insurance, no? |
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Post by D0Zer on Oct 13, 2013 1:04:21 GMT
Well, if you follow the "Free and Open Markets" economic mantra, kinda makes sense that a mandatory insurance system would be based on the ability to buy the plan you want, can afford, etc, in a "free and open market" for insurance, no? Funny how you say free open market. Under the constitution the Government isn't suppose to be in the market. They are suppose to be there for defense and upholding laws. Which Obuma hasn't been doing with immigration and then down sizing our military. Everything the Government has gotten involved in SS, Ed, EPA, has been a disaster. What makes you think they can do healthcare any better? |
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Post by Pharcellus on Oct 13, 2013 3:22:01 GMT
Funny how you say free open market. Under the constitution the Government isn't suppose to be in the market. Maybe you need to read the Commerce Clause again. Here ya go: Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:{3} {The Congress shall have Power} To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes; You're not buying insurance from the government, now are ya? You're buying it in a regulated market. Oh, and before you can sneeze out "Medicare", maybe you need to read the Preamble -- ya know something about "promoting the general Welfare". Typical Republitard selective reading of history and historical documents. Read what you want, and ignore the rest. You wouldn't know what is in the Constitution if it was tattooed on your fucking forehead in reverse so you could get a refresher every goddamned morning whilst shaving. Let me repeat the whole Preamble to the Constitution for you, since you seem to not know what it says: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." Even memorizing it is not enough; you have to UNDERSTAND what EACH and EVERY part of it means. Obama is enforcing the immigration laws as they exist. Get the fuckin' Congress to write better laws so he can execute them. As for downsizing the military, GOOD! About fuckin' time. That's what is supposed to happen when you end wars. Soldiers come home. You need less soldiers, bombs, planes, tanks, etc. Beat those fucking swords into plowshares! Now, let's STAY the FUCK out of any more wars in godforsaken places, and stop meddling in other countries' affairs at the behest of our capitalist crybabies whining about losing a few pennies against their obscene profiteering and slavery schemes at home and abroad. Yeah, all those fucking useless interstates, food inspections, emergency management functions.. just terrible, I'm tellin' ya! Social Security is probably the best program the US Government has ever enacted under the "promote the general Welfare" mandate. As for Education and EPA, they have provided far more benefits to our society than if they did not exist. Any better than a bunch of greedy-ass motherfuckers who couldn't give a tinker's DAMN about anyone's health or welfare because they are too busy lining their goddamned pockets with lucre. The government solution is far from the best option, but it is only second-worst to the so-called anarcho-capitalist "free market" one. There are some problems that pure capitalism just can't solve. If there is no profit in it, or if the pursuit of said profit obscures the entire purpose for pursuing it, it calls for a more balanced, regulated, SOCIALIZED approach. Again, the ADULTS in the room already know this; even the legendary "Messiah" JESUS CHRIST knew this. It is central to his so-called "teachings". Maybe you should look into them. When are you going to learn these lessons and join the rest of the grown-ups? Hmm? |
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Post by xaeris on Oct 13, 2013 4:36:05 GMT
^^
Oh yes. This, this, and this.
Maybe we wouldn't be up to our ears in debts if we minded our own business, and stopped sticking our nose into everybody else's affairs.
Maybe then, the rest of the world wouldn't hate us so much if we didn't act like the playground bully who feels the need to tell everybody else what they should do and how they should or shouldn't do it.
This, too.
But then, some people in the government are just as guilty of corruption and greed, too. But hey, who isn't these days?
Either way, Obamacare is law, and we'll just have to see how it goes.... well, that is, if the teabaggers would shut the hell up and actually play by the rules instead of acting like sore losers.
I mean, what, they want to defund Obamacare so they can... what... turn around and next year and go "SEE, I TOLD YOU IT WOULDN'T WORK!" .....well, shit. Of course it didn't work. They stymied it in every way they could.
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Post by Pharcellus on Oct 13, 2013 5:42:07 GMT
It is the same stupid song and dance they have forced the USPS to partake in.
The USPS is being systematically destroyed by the conservatives, from preventing them from entering new markets, using competitive pricing schemes, to pre-funding pensions 75 years in advance for employees they DON'T have but MIGHT get someday. It's the same play from the same playbook -- break something the government does remotely well, then say "see? government can't do ANYTHING right! We need to privatize this so it is better!" all the while cashing "campaign donation" checks from the same private interests concerned with that sector.
It is transparent, immoral, unethical, and should, by all means, be TOTALLY against the law, prosecutable by jail time, but no, it is BAU.
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Post by Pharcellus on Oct 13, 2013 6:35:14 GMT
Maybe we wouldn't be up to our ears in debts if we minded our own business, and stopped sticking our nose into everybody else's affairs. Maybe then, the rest of the world wouldn't hate us so much if we didn't act like the playground bully who feels the need to tell everybody else what they should do and how they should or shouldn't do it. I don't necessarily mind taking the moral high ground on human rights issues, except that the US has abandoned said high ground long ago. Almost every problem country out there that we've ever been at odds with has been because we propped up or caused to come into being the very regimes we end up having to take out with trillions of dollars' worth of expense and thousands of American lives. All because, at the time, some business interest wanted to exploit a resource in that country, be it oil, minerals, people, etc. Why do you think Syria is being let get away with "war crimes"? They have NOTHING we want resource-wise. Same with Ethiopia and Sudan. Then, to top it all off, we are guilty of the SAME kinds of war crimes and human rights violations that we supposedly are supposed to be railing against when "they do it". But, when "we do it", it's ok, because we are the good guys, right? HORSE SHIT |
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Post by D0Zer on Oct 13, 2013 18:28:42 GMT
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Post by xaeris on Oct 13, 2013 19:10:27 GMT
So....you (or whoever made that graphic, and also the guy who posted it) basing that whole argument that Democrats decades ago voted 7 to 2 that Blacks had no Rights, way back when? lol, nice. So, apparently, Democrats Today = Democrats Back Then, and Republicans Today = Republicans Back Then which I know 100% to be false, because Today's Republicans (at least the teabaggers and similar people) are nowhere near as smart/mature/etc as, say, Regan was. EDIT: So I looked up Scott vs Sanford, and oh wow.... 1856? Are you kidding me? You're going to argue that Today's Democrats are the same people that they were 157 fucking years ago? Are you serious? |
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Post by Pharcellus on Oct 13, 2013 22:51:07 GMT
The Supreme Court doesn't always make the best decisions. They are only human, and only 9 humans, out of over 300 million, whom their decisions ultimately affect.
That said, they also do make GOOD decisions. The difference is that the proper way to FIX it is to get your people in the MAJORITY, then pass legislation that fixes the problem, not lay down your governing responsibility in an act of neanderthalic thugism.
Hell, Republicans don't even HAVE a plan to replace it. They never have. Likely, they never will. Their replacement is "get sick and don't have insurance? Go to the Emergency Room!". Rombot said so.
Make a better plan, present it to the people, get them behind you, elect more of your side, and then pass the law. Until Republicans get past Step One, no one should take them seriously anymore.
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Post by D0Zer on Oct 14, 2013 2:03:38 GMT
The Supreme Court doesn't always make the best decisions. They are only human, and only 9 humans, out of over 300 million, whom their decisions ultimately affect. That said, they also do make GOOD decisions. The difference is that the proper way to FIX it is to get your people in the MAJORITY, then pass legislation that fixes the problem, not lay down your governing responsibility in an act of neanderthalic thugism. Hell, Republicans don't even HAVE a plan to replace it. They never have. Likely, they never will. Their replacement is "get sick and don't have insurance? Go to the Emergency Room!". Rombot said so. Make a better plan, present it to the people, get them behind you, elect more of your side, and then pass the law. Until Republicans get past Step One, no one should take them seriously anymore. ROFL You really must stop using so many liberal talking points. They do have a plan, in fact more than one. But it is never reported on the liberal web sites or news channels. Anyway enjoy: tinyurl.com/cskht2 |
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Post by Pharcellus on Oct 14, 2013 2:45:47 GMT
ROFL You really must stop using so many liberal talking points. They do have a plan, in fact more than one. But it is never reported on the liberal web sites or news channels. Well, where is it? Do you know? You should, as one of their sycophantic lapdogs. You should be able to link it, rather than say "nuh uh! dey DO have one!" and link some random garbage. It ain't just a talking point if it is true, you know. Next up from D0Zer, "the Sun will rise tomorrow" declared a liberal talking point, amirite? |
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Post by xaeris on Oct 14, 2013 3:02:15 GMT
..........wtf does American Pie have to do with the Government Shutdown, Healthcare, etc? Or are you one of those people who don't understand what the song is REALLY about? Here's a hint: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_the_music_diedThe song has absolutely nothing to do with the government at all. In fact, it isn't even a patriotic song. It doesn't have anything to do with the USA either. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 11:12:47 GMT
Do you realize that the majority of the Affordable Care Act _IS_ the Republican plan? They got what they wanted, it just took some time, but they simply cannot stand that an African-American became President and then got re-elected. Thats what this all boils down to.
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Post by woooooooo on Oct 14, 2013 13:32:51 GMT
Good lord you guys kill me.
I have a simple rule of thumb: If they are in fucking office now they wont get my vote come 14/16. I dont care if they are pubs, dems, indys or the fucking wig party. Incumbent nonsense from BOTH sides needs to go away.
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Post by Pharcellus on Oct 14, 2013 17:24:51 GMT
I have a simple rule of thumb: If they are in fucking office now they wont get my vote come 14/16. I dont care if they are pubs, dems, indys or the fucking wig party. Incumbent nonsense from BOTH sides needs to go away. Yeah, right. Anti-incumbentism is fashionable right now, but it isn't practical. It also still boils down to your political preferences. I severely doubt you're going to vote against someone who shares your political views, regardless of how badly they do their job in political office. I went through that phase a decade ago, but I realize that, if someone is up there doing their job the best they can, despite all the corruption, then I would feel good about sending them up there again. The problem is that there are so few who I would consider genuinely worth such a vote, but there are; I am just not in their constituency. It's too simple of a voting strategy to mean anything more than just voting with the rest of the herd mentality. The real thing we are going to have to fix to start getting rid of the corruption is the out-of-control campaign finance. That's going to take a Constitutional Amendment coming from a Constitutional Convention called by the States to fix. |
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